hermo44 All I am saying is for example if everybody was to race downhill on Pinkbike I would come in last place, but just because I can do it does that make me an athlete, no. I also can run 100 meter dash and swim the length of a swimming pool. So does that mean I am in the same class as Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps because I can do it, (hell no). It just mean I am athletic, not an athlete, and they are professionals. But they are athletes because of the activity they do which no way, shape, or form can be compared to my beloved golf. My example is if we class everybody as an athlete that society labels a sport then I guess Bowlers, Poker Players, Pool Players, and Curlers are athletes too. I really respect Elundy10 and Gloryhole, they are bring up valid point that I am having a hard time to dispute because I also agree with them. Happy new year hermo44 and keep on kepping on